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To:arch-general@archlinux.org From:Leonid Isaev Subject:Re: [arch-general] An empty /etc/crontab file maybe needed bo be add in to package filesystem. Date:Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:44:52 -0500
 

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:27:34 +0800
Auguste Pop <auguste@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2012/3/18 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng@gmail.com>:
> > 2012/3/18 Auguste Pop <auguste@gmail.com>:
> >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Auguste Pop <auguste@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev@umail.iu.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:01:52 +0800
> >>>> 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2012/2/19 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng@gmail.com>:
> >>>>> > I see, I just upgraded to 1.4.8 on 14 Feb 2012, The log must be
> >>>>> > generated by an former version of cronie. Now it seems all gone, and
> >>>>> > I can't provid the spamed log because I have cleaned them up 2 days
> >>>>> > ago.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Let's see, if there are spams again, I will post here.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > 2012/2/19 Leonid Isaev <lisaev@umail.iu.edu>:
> >>>>> >> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:26:46 +0800
> >>>>> >> 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>> 2012/2/18 Heiko Baums <lists@baums-on-web.de>:
> >>>>> >>> > Am Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:25:54 +0800
> >>>>> >>> > schrieb 郑文辉(Techlive Zheng) <techlivezheng@gmail.com>:
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> >> Due to cronie doesn't contain an /etc/crontab anymore, there
> >>>>> >>> >> are losts of msgs of missing crontab as shown below in
> >>>>> >>> >> errors.log.
> >>>>> >>> >>
> >>>>> >>> >> > /usr/sbin/crond[1236]: (root) CAN'T OPEN (/etc/crontab): No
> >>>>> >>> >> > such file or directory
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > Such an empty /etc/crontab would belong into the package cronie
> >>>>> >>> > and not into the package filesystem. It's cronie specific since
> >>>>> >>> > fcron, which I use, doesn't need and provide one. The
> >>>>> >>> > corresponding, but also not necessary file for fcron would
> >>>>> >>> > be /etc/fcrontab. And I'm not sure if such an empty /etc/crontab
> >>>>> >>> > would affect fcron.
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > If cronie doesn't provide an empty /etc/crontab and doesn't run
> >>>>> >>> > without it, it is a bug in cronie.
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > Heiko
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> It runs well,but just spam the error.log and crond.log
> >>>>> >>> without /etc/crontab.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Since 1.4.8 cronie doesn't need /etc/crontab... Can you show
> >>>>> >> relevant piece of /var/log/crond.log?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> --
> >>>>> >> Leonid Isaev
> >>>>> >> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
> >>>>> >> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Still have the problem:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Feb 19 06:31:01 vbox02 /usr/sbin/crond[8394]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
> >>>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
> >>>>> Feb 19 06:32:01 vbox02 /usr/sbin/crond[8394]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
> >>>>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
> >>>>
> >>>> This is odd... you must have something in /var/spool/cron. Otherwise
> >>>> please provide more info because your problem is not easily
> >>>> reproducible.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Leonid Isaev
> >>>> GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
> >>>> Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE  775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D
> >>>
> >>> i have the same problem. i do have a file in /var/spool/cron/, because
> >>> i have some user cron jobs to do.
> >>>
> >>> here's some log from /var/log/crond.log
> >>>
> >>> Mar 18 18:04:30 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) BEGIN EDIT (pop)
> >>> Mar 18 18:04:32 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) REPLACE (pop)
> >>> Mar 18 18:04:32 pop crontab[8708]: (pop) END EDIT (pop)
> >>> Mar 18 18:05:01 pop /usr/sbin/crond[8619]: (root) CAN'T OPEN
> >>> (/etc/crontab): No such file or directory
> >>> Mar 18 18:05:01 pop /usr/sbin/crond[8619]: (pop) RELOAD
> >>> (/var/spool/cron/pop)
> >>
> >> after some further test, it seems the error only occurs after crontab -e.
> >> i think this may be an upstream bug, if upstream says that
> >> /etc/crontab is not indispensable.
> >> anyway, showing one line of missing file in log is not a big deal. we
> >> don't constantly modify our crontab.
> >>
> >> best regards,
> >
> > My problem did not occur any more after I delete /var/spoon/cron/root,
> > I don't know what exactly cause the problem.
>
> actually, as far as i can see. this message appears only once every
> time i edit my crontab. it's not re-occurring. that's why i think this
> is not a big issue.
>
> best regards,

If you think this is a problem, why don't you report it to crinie devs?

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Leonid Isaev
GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D
Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE 775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D

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