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To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From:Buck Subject:[FairfieldLife] Re: "On The Program" and "Off The Program" Date:Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:46:29 -0000
 

 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" <reavismarek@...> wrote:
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> Buck, did any of the TMO people inquire about your own posting history on FFL? Is it okay to "be" on FFL and still meditate in the domes?
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Marek, yeah it came up. Anything you write here may be held against you. They work it and collect information on people.
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> > > > > I was nearly with badge in hand to meditate in the dome except for the (four-page) legal agreement that is to be signed before obtaining the badge. I was offered the agreement to sign but not given a copy. This is what I saw in the agreement form, that it is a binding document, binding to an organization in a way that folks may not want to be. The agreement starts out with typical house-cleaning kinds of statements about the need of the course teachers to be able to administrate the course and be able to remove people without recourse. That is to be expected. There were about 8 or 10 of those kind of short administrative points and then the paragraphs became longer with compound sentences. The document veers from administrative and becomes something else about enforcement of product and trademark in past, present and future, damages and guarantees of indemnification and stuff.
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> > > > As a legal document it starts off granting them waivers for their behaviors past, present or future, while then moves on guaranteeing and wth enforcement of (your own) indemnification for damages to (their) product past, present or future; waiving rights of trail to narrow legal processes, to then narrowed paths of recourse to be bound to and taken physically in other places and States. It reads a lot like King George taking people from America back to England for 'trial'.
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> > > The document starts reasonably enough and it then becomes the product of aggressive legal minds set at bay to corral people coming back in for a course. The document methodically moves from being about administration to laying out out entrapment that evidently are one way. It goes about binding folks to an organization in a way which they may not wish to be or need to be bound to for just getting on a course and meditating. It's quite a document.
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> > > We have all gone through a lot to get to this point.
> > > In reading the document and also knowing some of the people involved, I'm not sure I could trust all of them to behave well always. As a legal document it reads like someone is both fishing for and trying to potentially tie someone up. It also has 'frivolous' and the potential for harassing lawsuit written all over it. Someone was up to something in writing it. It seems the product work of aggressive legal minds within the movement somewhere. We need a simpler document to sign before we pick up badges. That would be better.
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> > Potential? For instance in reading the 'agreement', the moment Rick Archer and some other notables here would sign such a document they'd be off to New Jersey defending themselves for damages against TM and its people that this FairfieldLife forum has caused. It would be enforceable and particularly enforced in Rick's case. They hate him. You should hear the things they say! The real TM-TB'ers, I've heard them plenty of times express themselves like farmers whose cattle got out through the fence when it comes to Rick Archer. It's not nice.
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> > > > > > > > > > I interview folks here in Fairfield all the time. I always ask if they have dome badges and if they go and then I listen. A lot of people here don't go even though they have a badge. The dome numbers show that. A frequent response I hear as I listen is that people don't go up there because "they don't like the dome politics of it".
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> > > > > > > > > > An exemption was made for me to be in the dome recently. I was reminded again about this politica thing that other people have in the end when I went to pick up my new badge. The last thing you do before you get the badge is sign a legal document (four page) which starts off simple and then veers in to compound sentences that seem to be about corralling and binding folks to an organization in a way that folks may not want to be bound anymore. It becomes a rather aggressive document that some legal minds created. It's way more than it needs to be to have someone on a course for meditating in the dome.
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> > > > > > > > > > A while ago someone applied and then stopped at that point of getting a badge as it came to signing the legal document. They walked out with the document then. I was struck by the same thing again when I read it the other day. Apparently it hasn't changed.
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> > > > > > > > > Well, skipping the politics, rules, etc, I am glad you got to return if only for a few days? Or now can you attend regularly? If you can say - did you like doing your program in the Dome? Will you be returning?
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> > > > > > > > Well, we can't just skip over the rules etc,. I was not able to pick up my new badge because I have not signed the legal agreement they want signed before you get a badge.
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> > > > > > > > I was close to having a badge and back to meditating in the dome but for that agreement form. It's way more aggressive than it needs to be.
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> > > > > > > I see. I think they need to toss out all the old documents and start fresh - keep it simple and kind. I bet they are using forms from the 1970's, with just a few tweaks here and there.
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> > > > > > Yep, it appears that way.
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