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To:Brenner, Michael Ralf \\(Michael\\) From:William Mills Subject:Re: [scim] Cloud definition Date:Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:48:06 -0700 (PDT)

Now THAT is chock full of awesome, with awesome sauce...

From: "Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael)" <>
To: William Mills <>; Samuel Erdtman <>; Melinda Shore <>
Cc: "" <>; Emmanuel dreux <>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [scim] Cloud definition

Well, you could still PIMP it by replacing Protocol with Provisioning (Push Identity Management Provisioning)J
From: [] On Behalf Of William Mills
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:08 AM
To: Samuel Erdtman; Melinda Shore
Cc:; Emmanuel dreux
Subject: Re: [scim] Cloud definition
Annoyingly perhaps, naming matters in a branding way and how people think about things.  We can trivially get this much closer to what it actually does.  I personally like Push Identity Management Protocol (excepts it's not a protocol), so we could PIMP my cloud.

From: Samuel Erdtman <>
To: Melinda Shore <>
Cc: "" <>; Emmanuel dreux <>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [scim] Cloud definition

Im new at IETF so I dont know if I will offend someone with this
post, if so Im sorry for that.

First I like the point that Michael does, just because it is aimed for
cloud services does not mean that it cannot be used for other things

And further, SCIM is just a name in the end.


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Melinda Shore <> wrote:
> On 3/29/12 12:15 PM, Emmanuel dreux wrote:
>> In SAAS / ASP scenario, it's different. I do not have access directly
>> to the directory that contains the accounts (LDAP,SQL,etc). The
>> provider has to expose provisioning APIs that will allow me to
>> programmatically and remotely manage accounts.
> You run into exactly this sort of situation in very large enterprises,
> where the people who run the ERP may not have write access to the
> corporate directory or be able to provision accounts.  But even in
> cases where they are there's a lot of interest in moving from a batching
> model to a transactional one.
> Melinda
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